A certain Parisian doctor appeared after death to his bishop, and said that he was damned. His bishop asked him if he remembered the sciences in which he was so well versed in this life. He answered, that in hell the damned think only of the pain of having lost God. Begone from me; you shall be no longer mine, and I shall be no longer yours. But the damned shall never see God. When David forbade his son Absalom to appear in his presence, the sorrow of Absalom was so great, that he entreated Joab to tell his father that he would rather be put to death than never more be permitted to see his face.
In hell there is no love.
God is love. The damned hate and curse all the angels and saints. They curse particularly their guardian angels their special advocates and above all, the Virgin Mary, the Mother of Jesus. They hate the living of this world, especially those in the state of grace. Moreover they hate one another and themselves. How can God be present amongst such emptiness. The reprobates are thus left to themselves without God!
Our greatest torment consists in knowing with certainty that we will never see God. How greatly we are tortured by that which we were indifferent to while on earth! Augustine said that the death of the soul i.
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Asked 10 months ago. Active 10 months ago. Viewed times. Eg: These days Christians rarely assert that hell is a place where people get burned alive. Alan T. Is it the phrase itself that you are interested in, or the concept? I ask because there is some current teaching that is certainly related.
I'll need to do some digging in my old notes, but if you want only the etymology of that phrase, I might not be able to help. KorvinStarmast I've edited the title slightly in hopes it clarifies things. I know there are some old as in Church Fathers antecedents but it's specifically this modern use I want to know more about.
Nov 22 '18 at Alan, I think I can be of some help from a Catholic perspective, but this is Thanksgiving and I need to do a little digging before I offer you an answer.
Perhaps after the Turkey and football is over, and the others are all playing a board game later today. Why do you think this is a "modern use"? Geremia Because of sentiments like the one quoted, treating it as an emerging trend. If it is, I want to know where it emerged in the modern day, as opposed to its older antecedents; if it isn't and the specific phrase has been in use for longer, I'd like to know that as well. Nov 23 '18 at The Westminster Confession says this about hell: "but the wicked, who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.
Packer made this observation: since it is beyond the wit of man to invent a new heresy, it is a great help to know the old ones, so that one can spot them when they reappear in modern make-up page 6. Back to John Blanchard and chapter 10 — The Pains of Hell — and this startling comment: We have seen that fire is the most pervasive element in hell; what then is the single greatest factor that makes hell to be hell?
Lesley Lesley 8, 1 1 gold badge 9 9 silver badges 39 39 bronze badges. I'm picking yours because of the emphasis on recent sources and quotes that directly address the idea of a "shift" in preaching.
Thanks for your effort and links. Nov 29 '18 at Lewis' The Screwtape Letters This could possibly be another source of the popularity of the phrase in question in the 's - 's. The separation from God is pivotal to C. Lewis' vision of hell: Separation seems for Lewis to describe the essential idea of hell, capturing what is conveyed by the biblical imagery of torture, destruction, and privation. Lewis Nevertheless, I still feel the need to show that concept of "hell being the absence of God" in a more historical sense.
And if you deconstruct truth, there can be no revelation; no claims about the salvific centrality and uniqueness of Jesus as Christ. Jesus, in this deconstruction, becomes the quintessential good guy—nothing more. But also nothing less, I am thinking. I am a good guy. But what if we see deconstruction not as a threat, but as an opportunity—an opportunity to push past and beyond the limits humans have unreasonably set for themselves.
But there is no one—no One—sitting on the throne. The throne is empty, waiting to be claimed by any of us, by all of us. My body is tense; my legs are cold; my arms stiff; my head stoically faces the door. My doctor arrives, clad in plaid from head to toe. I smile. But then the depression returns.
I have to think for a moment. It was three hours total, everything—research and writing. Maybe it triggered low-level mania and accentuated the underlying depression. I sigh, shrug my shoulders—something like that—because I realize that the ecstasy comes with its own price tag—literally and figuratively—that eventually has to be paid in full. But if we hope for what we do not see, we await in patience. Not to mention special opportunities, ebooks, the latest articles from The Table, and more.
My body is relaxed; my legs are firm; my arms comfortably bent; my head moves slightly as it follows lines of text. Simone Weil has always been a puzzling and compelling figure for me: she is simultaneously deeply Jewish and deeply Catholic—though she refused baptism.
She died young, in at the age of She worked in automobile factories and sided with the Anarchists in the Spanish civil war. Weil was French and joined the resistance against the Nazis. And she wrote. Her writings are also puzzling and compelling, full of paradoxes, such her understanding that the experience of separation is also a connection: a link of love precisely because separation can only be experienced by those who love.
And the real depths of affliction are hidden from view—an insight that causes me to look at the pink blossoms of rhododendrons surrounding my lawn and bend my head to glimpse what lies within the tangled branches that hold them high. The physical and moral dimensions of mental illness usually lend themselves to lists of symptoms: lethargy and mania; compulsive, impulsive, and obsessive behavior; hypersexuality and hyposexuality.
The actual internal experience of mental illness often exceeds the power of words. Social degradation is easier to talk about. My soul will always be branded by that blasphemy. My body feels supported; my legs are slightly spread; my arms rest; my head gently reclines on a memory foam pillow.
I have time to think a little before sleep overtakes me—but I promise not to think too much. He was Polish, a member of the Capuchin Franciscan order: I remember the brown skullcap covering wisps of grey hair. Lying in the bed, I think back on my own experiences. Even when I was an active alcoholic, I can easily see the edifying experiences of suffering—though I am not sure those I hurt would agree. Here is one who bares his soul and shouts to the world, no, shouts to the God who seems not to be there to listen, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Why art thou so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning? The absence of God; can the human mind imagine anything more distressing?
This is already of paramount importance, of course, but the act of re-humanizing through unmasking goes even deeper. Views Read Edit View history. Knowing that his wife has ascended to heaven, the previously non-devout protagonist struggles to achieve the required love of God to join her. All other things beside are child's play Barth ; freely translated. Father in heaven, is this not so?
Can the human heart contemplate what this really is? The absence, the utter absence of God. In all honesty, I do not know that I could ever echo the words and the feelings of this Psalmist. I do not know that I could ever say, in public, with this depth of feeling, that I knew only the absence of God.
How do you admit, how do you confess to yourself that you know God in his absence only? How do you say to a waiting world that the God whom you have proclaimed and served and worked for, that God whose name you have bandied about with such reckless abandon, that God is absent? How do you say that?
But this the Psalmist did; this confession he made, and I would suggest to you that as he did so, right then and there he began the process which would finally allow him to find God present again. Are you hearing what I am saying? I am saying that even at that moment at which the most difficult of realities comes crashing in on us, even at the moment at which we finally come clean and say it, come clean and cry out that God is absent, God has abandoned us — that is the moment at which healing begins: That is the moment in which the spirit is so laid bare that God in his mystery can begin to work with us and can begin to heal us.
But more of that later. Summer Sermon Series. Weekly Sermon Collections. Online Sermon Editor. January The psalmist experiences the absence of God, even to the point of denigrating himself as a "worm.